Walee, retail traders (on the whole) are very naive. (And I count myself a member)
All computers are made outside of US and familiar brands are not immune to shipping spyware, willingly or not. For example:
"Dell said human error was to blame for mistakes which led it to ship a number of replacement server motherboards to customers pre-loaded with spyware.
The company declined to say whether it was running anti-virus software at its factory but said it had taken 16 steps to improve processes.
The infection hit replacement PowerEdge 310, 410, 510 and T410 boards. The direct seller said less than one per cent of boards were affected and complete new server systems were quite safe.
Dell is still not admitting how the W32.Spybot worm got into its systems and onto its hardware."
It seems that it was the infected software was used to test the board. The affected motherboards were replacement parts and not new systems. Yes, many known brands assemble outside of the U.S. I would imagine a company like Dell would heavily invest in quality control and supply chain security because their brand depends on it.
Lets face it, majority of US brands of the 90’s are just that - a name we recognize. Even Dell does not manufacture any consumer electronics in USA. All consumer motherboards of all brands are made by a handful of ODMs. Interestingly, even if all of them outside of USA, many ODMs are partially owned by US citizens in their 401k/IRA portfolios.
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For decades, the US outsourced everything to China and taught them the technology to produce millions of different things. So the US made from the Chinese dwarf, a giant economy that will surpass soon the US economy. Even technological, China in some areas, a huge advance on the US.
It is hilarious how MAGA wishes to turn around things again. First create the enemy monster, and now spending trillions to protect themselves against their own creation.
Well… this thread went from monitors, to spyware to now politics. 
I started monitors
you started spyware
BillMilton started politics
Technically, it started with me saying you had me beat when it came to monitors. Then the conversation shifted to mini PCs, and I mentioned seeing YouTube videos about some being found with factory installed spyware. From there, you went on a tangent about big tech companies sharing personal information, which felt like a misunderstanding of my point about factory installed spyware on consumer products. The discussion eventually drifted into broader privacy concerns and, ultimately, politics (started by you and not Bill). Bill’s comment focused on manufacturing, outsourcing and supply chain… nothing political.
You first mentioned the mini PC’s, which are ALL only build in China.
You were aiming for China without explicitly mentioning them. That was political. Your message, if you read between the lines, was"don’t buy Chinees, buy American". But your statement was a lie.
This is what Bill said:“Lets face it, majority of US brands of the 90’s are just that - a name we recognize. Even Dell does not manufacture any consumer electronics in USA.”
He is speaking about the US and other countries. If you see what he means you automatically get to MAGA. To me that’s political as the US government didn’t do anything to stop the export of knowledge from the US direction China.
At this point it feels like everything is being filtered through a political lens, even when the discussion started as a technical one. That makes genuine conversation difficult, because we’re no longer talking about the same topic. You are so poisoned by politics that everything here turned into it. I think conversations go better when we don’t turn every topic into politics. One final thought for you: red or blue, neither side really cares about us. They’re playing a different game, and we’re not in it. Try not to get too emotional about it.
It is only natural for these conversations to be pervasive, 20 years back most people did not have an opinion to share but now too much of data, and everyone is forced to have an opinion, ironically that has not made the situation better…the scamsters are thriving in the distortion of all this information.
The problem is, in this forum no one answers any technical question, ask a question about behaviour of API and one will never get any response, there is one gentleman who responds but all his answers are the same, keep things simple and go look for a solution…even in cases where there is no actual solution.
The earlier forum was far more superior, people still have to go through those posts to better understand ninjatrader, this forum has failed in that sense…and the forum on reddit is total garbage, 80% of the post there are AI generated.
What I’ve seen often is that many will just post something and sometimes with little context. They may then post large broken up code that’s not even formatted so it’s easier to read. Nobody really wants to spend their free time looking through some large script trying to figure out the solution for a user.
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100% concur with Walee. He stole the words right out of my mouth.
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